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this if it was not a mandate the people sent us to go do. >> something on all of our minds is the fiscal cliff. i would be remiss if i did not ask you both to weigh in on it in the following way. first, what is going on that we do not understand? number two, what should happen? number 3, what is the rsc going to do to help us get to that sector state, and what should happen? either of you want to chime in on that? >> first of all, if you look at where we are right now, and because of a number of reasons, a few of them going back to the last debt ceiling bill -- i did not vote for the budget control act, and because it did not address the real problem, and that is spending. if you look at the debate, it is mostly a debate about how much in taxes to raise, and the president keeps moving the goal post. he keeps adding more to it. he has an insatiable appetite to spend money and attack other people for it. we are not talking about addressing the real problem. i do not think anybody's taxes should go up. barack obama said three years ago, if you raise taxes in a bad economy, it will make things worse. we ar
away in lansing. let me ask you, jessica, the fiscal cliff is something we have been talked about each and every day here on cnn, the president met with the speaker of the house and am i correct, has it been about a year since the two of them had a one on one face to face, so what are we learning detailwise from the meeting? >> the bottom line is the status appears to remain at stalemate. the white house is eressing the view that the president believes it is still possible to get to a deal, but they want to hear more -- they want to hear specifics from republicans on revenue and they have not heard that. that's what the white house was saying before the deal -- before the meeting last friday they were saying this. the speaker's office is saying they still want to hear from the white house on more details on spending cuts, also that is what the speaker's office was saying before the meeting last friday. so the message today is exactly what it was last friday. the meeting happened yesterday. on sunday. so we are where we were. does that mean that nothing happened in the meeting? no, ther
respond said fiscal cliff, that sounds like something i probably studied in school. no. this is new. this is something that they've just fresh baked up for us. >> brian: this generation made it up! >> gretchen: they'll be paying for it. >> steve: for a long, long time. our children and children's children, consider the amount of dent this president has run up. this could be good news. the president of the united states did speak with speaker boehner yesterday on the phone. we know nothing about the call except they talked on the phone. we do know that the last offer, the counteroffer was made by the republicans. they're waiting for the white house. the white house at the same time says come on, we don't have another counteroffer because your last offer was a stinker. you, republicans, need to come up with a new one. >> gretchen: the thing is, they're playing hard ball right now. the white house has sent out tim geithner, the treasury secretary, instead of the president actually, to lead the negotiations and when he was asked yesterday in an interview, tim geithner, that is, whether
the fiscal cliff? >> it reminds me about something i probably learned in school. but some type of cliff, the economy going pow. >> isn't that the government? this is embarrassing. >> brian: how many people really know what it is and what it means? we hit the streets. >> steve: indeed, and bob costas and his no spin zone to defend his half time gun control rant. what did he say and what does former nfl player think? he will join us live to react this hour. "fox & friends" hour two for thursday starts right now. >> gretchen: i thought the same thing that scarlet johansson was in times square answering ainsley's question. i thought what, a lucky day for steve and brian that yesterday they would have petra and today scarlet. >> brian: and the day before, victoria secret models. >> gretchen: what a week! >> steve: one of the young people when did respond said fiscal cliff, that sounds like something i probably studied in school. no. this is new. this is something that they've just fresh baked up for us. >> brian: this generation made it up! >> gretchen: they'll be paying for it. >> steve: fo
12% this year. so, what could go wrong? fiscal cliff. this is something weighing op consumer sentiment and we're starting to see it in the weekly -- look at this -- 39% said it would affect it some. they don't seem to have much faith in congress to fix it and any time except 11th hour and maybe a week into the new year and there's this payroll tax holiday that most people have been enjoying now for well over a year. almost two years now. it's about 20 for somebody who earns say $50,000, but they're getting extra because the payroll tax deduction has been changed a little. they're getting a break on that. but that goes away, people are going to have less money in their paycheck. i've been hearing from dwsh stating that theory re tayloi t they're concerned. a lot of people buy their holiday presents based on taxes and no one is really certain what is going on. >> yeah, absolutely. all right. christine romans for us this morning in new york. thank you, christine. >>> well, he is college football's most inspirational figure and his story is much different than most young men who
. in gratitude, the government put me out of business. the fiscal cliff is something that we need to go over, that way we can enhance our military to special forces and get us some better weaponry. lose the people who are vacationing in all of these foreign countries, limiting the military to doing what it absolutely has to do. host: you are probably the fourth person here who has said we should go over the cliff. the headline from november in "the financial times" was that the fall in consumption would be $200 billion if we go over the cliff. that the u.s. consumer is crucial to growth, they went on to say, because it made up 70% of gdp. some are predicting a recession, a downgrade of our rating for the country. you think it would be ok to go over the cliff? caller: put it this way. only in the last 2000 years of human existence, every time a country goes above 20% tax rate, they failed. rome, babylon. go throughout human history. we are saying it is a 50% tax rate now. what about an 80% tax rate? we cannot survive as a government entity by having so many man hires attached to the host. hos
about something that is on everybody's mind, the fiscal cliff. oh my goodness, the fiscal cliff is now just -- wow, 20 days away. so what are we going to do? some have suggested that we really have to deal with entitlements. and i'm here to agree that we can and we should deal with entitlements. certainly two of those issues, which i really don't think we ought to call entitlements but are fundamental programs here in america for americans, should be dealt with. one that some people want to put on the table really doesn't deal with the deficit at all, and that's social security. so before we even get into this discussion tonight, let's just understand or anybody that cares to take on this issue that in dealing with the fiscal cliff, social security is not the problem. the deficit is not caused by social security. social security has never been and in its present form, will not be part of the deficit issue. it's separate and apart. it is a special program. has its own source of revenue. has its own trust fund and isn't running the deficit at all and has not run a deficit. so let's put s
-care it waltz. >> i recollection. then it was the fiscal cliff. there is always something out there holding companies back. i think this means this is the new normal. we have a distrust of washington. we are not sure the economy will get better and it's kinds of every man for himself. alisyn: thanks so much. the economy is the focus of a debate in michigan where an historic employment bill is about to become law. mike tow tobin is live from chicago. >> reporter: the point republicans are trying to sell is this does not target collective bargaining. all the legislation does according to republicans is make optional union dues and union membership for everyone other than police and firefighters. union members say it attacks their foundation and in all places, michigan, the cradle of organized labor. >> you will have people that will be working right alongside of you that will not have to pay union dues that you pay union dues but will still be able to get all the benefits from being a union member. >> reporter: unlike the drawnout labor standoffs we have seen. this moved rapidly through the l
cliff and what will be an agreement, ifs reached, that'll amount to something in the neighborhood of a couple trillion dollars. >> and the forced union states are looking for tte federal government to bail them out. but more important than that, the dems, the democrats don't want to lose the forced union states -- lou: well, i'm not talking about the forced union states now, i'm talking about every state in the union. and the fact is that we're talking about unfunded ppnsion liabilities of $4 trillion, mallory. and -- >> but much worse in the forced unions. lou: excuse me, if i may finish. >> i'm sorry. lou: $4 trillion that no one is paying attention to, how will it be resolved? >> it's tough to resolve, but it's much worse. the point i was trying to make is it's much worse in the forced uniin states, much worse. it's almost double. that's one of the issues. we're going to have a big problem resolving that. it's going to be a major problem with services that are absolutely necessary not being able to be kept up because of all these pensions that are unfunded. lou: all right. mall
to think of this medium and long term risk as the fiscal avalanche. the cliff is something we are approaching now and we can see where it is. we know will hit the cliff. the avalanche is different. the only thing you know about avalanches, you know when the conditions are present. you know when the snowpack has built up to the point where it could happen. you do not know when it is going to happen, you just know it is coming. once it hits you, the avalanche becomes completely impossible to control. do you agree with this characterization about the avalanche? could you elaborate about that kind of threat? >> would you mind if i steal that from you? i will give you credit. i think it is right. i do think -- that is why what you're doing now is so important. this is a once in a generation opportunity for you to nail these things down. we're not that far apart. i really do not think we are. if you are able to put us on a credible path to fiscal sustainability, do it in a balanced way, i think we are golden. i think we will avoid that avalanche. if we do not do that, ultimately, it
. gerri: it's not just politicians and ceos are worried about the fiscal cliff. even baseball players are worried. this man just signed a contract with the atlanta braves. this is something that the mbl rarely does. if upton gets paid one day later, he gets paid an additional $120,000 in taxes. he is not alone. his former tampa bay teammaae, signed an extension cable next week. who can blame them? it is like a tax revolt all over the place. if washington doesn't act fast, major league owners will be forced to shell out a lot of money. [ oman ] ring. ring. progresso. i just served my mother-in-law yo chicken noodle soup but she loved it so much... i told her it was homemade. everyone tells a little white lie now and then. but now she wants my recipe [ clears his throat ] [ softly ] she's right behind misn't she? [ male announcer ] progresso. you gotta taste this soup. you know how painful heartburn can be. for fast, long lasting relief, useoctor recommended gaviscon®. only gavisco® forms a protective barrier that helps block stomach acid from splashing up- relieving the pn quy. try f
are worried about the fiscal cliff. even baseball players are worried. this man just signed a contract with the atlanta braves. this is something that the mbl rarely does. if upton gets paid one day later, he gets paid an additional $120,000 in taxes. he is not alone. his former tampa bay teammaae, signed an extension cable next week. o can blame them? it is like a tax revolt all over the place. if washington doesn't act fast, major league owners will be forced to shell out a lot of money. gerri: it is thi nation's symbol of strength and unity in the face of tragedy. the rebuilding of one world trade center. the massive building is nearing completion. but it hasn't reached this milestone without majo complications. especially for cmmuters and the city's transportation agency. with more on the government's misuse of 9/11 funds, we have the manhattan institute scholar and "new york post" columnist michael goodwin. welcome to you both. -icole, i'm going to start with you. you just read an article on this, and you have done a ton of research. let's talk about the dollars and cents. how muc
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the corner, a fiscal cliff deadline that is personal here. >> i just can't imagine funding being cut at this point. it would be tragic. >> reporter: she is worried mandatory budget cuts would hurt food safety inspection. that mattered to her since her twins were born in 1999. >> she was in the hospital for two weeks, luke for three. >> reporter: she and her babies got list teara poisoning from meat she ate while pregnant. contaminated food sickens about 48 million people a year, 3,000 people die. so the fda and the usda's food safety and inspection service are charged with protecting the food supply. an 8.2% budget cut translates to a combined 157 million dollars. there is no word exactly what cuts would mean to inspectors staffing. >> both fda and usda are stretched pretty thin when it comes to the inspection activities in the food safety work they do. they really need an increased resources and not fewer resources. >> agencies always say they're stretched. >> reporter: dean clancy is with freedom works, an organization that promotes smaller government and he says the cuts leave not
. >> this compromise or set of compromises that gets us over the fiscal cliff will set the stage for president obama to craft a compromise and demographics. the republicans know they have to compromise and get something done on immigration. tax reform, the republicans have said they want tax reform. president obama said the same. we need tax reform. immigration and tax reform post the fiscal cliff will create a legacy and may see congress doing something. >> that is why it is so important that they figure out a way to come together before the end of the year hopefully. if the environment is poisoned like it was after the stimulus, after the health care debate, the next four years will be ugh low. >> that's true. the higher number of women increases the chances. we will see. >> i saw the women here smiling. we were talking about how collaborative they were. the guys, not so much. >> we don't smile. i agree. the more women the better. i'm agreeing with you. can i say nothing? i said the more women, the better. i'm agreeing with you. the more women, the less self destructive egos and getting to a deal.
the significant consequences of falling often the fiscal cliff, you'd think the president would have an interest in finding a solution to the crisis, however it's becoming increasingly obvious that something is standing in the way. what could it be? what is it that's preventing the president from negotiating or offering up meaningful concessions? it may be obama's arrogance. watch this. >> when you talk about the feeling at the white house, there's a palpable difference now compared to 2011, the summer of 2011. they are so much cockier at the white house a year and a half ago. you know, you come to us, we're not going to negotiate. we're not going to keep putting out more proposals. >> sean: my next guest argues that it's time for republicans to stop trying to cut through the president's arrogance, walk away from the negotiating table. i've been saying that on this program. in fact, congressman allen west recently told the great one, mark levin, that it's silly to work with someone that's a marksist socialist ideolog. colonel, i don't remember that you said marksist socialist before. >> when you
minutes. i think we have all of the fiscal cliff to death. fiscal could fatigue. fed up with tooling politicians. the holidays are upon us. so i am going to pass judgment on something entirely different. i'm going off the financial reservation. here is my take on tattoos. i hate them. i am contentious of them. they don't decorate the human body, the pilot. those judges should jump on the bandwagon are at best misguided. do you really think the 20 years from now you will still love sally heard johnnie? because that name is still buying to be on your arm or your back or ross you decide but it. i remember being in a whole food store. she was 20 at most. she was wearing a look at top from 20 yards away you could read the tattoo that spread all across her chest. it read begin. huge global letters. it will never go away. whether or not she ever it's a stake or eight again. why mark yourself alive tonight why put an ugly blotch understand? by the way, over time most tattoos eventually start to look like a bruise. for some reason the urge to markers of has become fashionable on last 45 years
, whatever that might be, would be never and he called that chaos. so really it's all about the fiscal cliff, guys. i wish i had something a little more light and fun for you on a monday morning. >> nothing like going through friday's numbers, down to 7.7%. a lot of chatter over the weekend that was only because people were getting out of the workforce in record numbers, et cetera, et cetera. what's your take? what's wall street's take on the numbers on friday? >> reporter: it's like this. it's like i reported on friday. it's better than expected. what we did in our "street signs" was why are the expectations so low? i went through the numbers, back to 2002, ten years ago. 57 months in the past ten years, we have gained more than 200,000 jobs, but now 146,000 is considered good because the expectations are low. so, yes, the number was better than expected but i think as a nation many people we talked to say up to the point where we could add 200,000, 250,000 jobs a month because that will help reduce the deficit. growth is actually the best solution to reducing the deficit. it's not tax hike
of the fiscal cliff debate. >> don't talk about them as if they're entitlement reforms and giveaways. these are programs that people have paid for over their entire working lives and have earned these programs. >> reporter: if lawmakers and the president don't find a compromise, taxes for all american will go up, and across-the-board spending cuts will kick in on january 1. danielle nottingham, cbs news, washington. >>> secretary of state hillary clinton canceled a trip to north africa in the middle east because of a stomach virus. the focus of the trip is the crisis in syria. and the obama administration has granted one group affiliated with the rebels a terrorist organization that has alleged ties to al qaeda. any assets in the u.s. are frozen, and americans are barred from doing business with it. >>> the body of the navy s.e.a.l. killed during a mission to rescue an american doctor from the taliban is on its way home. the family of dr. dilip joseph released a statement praising the s.e.a.l.'s hero im. he was part of seal team six, the unit that killed osama bin laden. it remain un
in washington. speak up for the fiscal cliff is part of the half trillion dollars in cuts to the pentagon. the defense has been saying we will not plan for sequestration's because they don't want to be cautious because it is like a gun to the head. they're now looking into planning for this because we are getting pretty late, and that may become a reality. back to you. melissa: rich edson, thank you so much. lori: let's continue this discussion. it is going to happen, it is exactly what the democrats want. according to scott hodge of the tax foundation. what are some alternatives to raising revenue? joining me with some ideas. to your point, you're written quite extensively on this topic. it seems the economy is poised to fall off the cliff and that's what the democrats and the president wants to happen. >> they want to allow all the bush tax cuts to expire. it happens naturally automatically. they don't even have to vote for it. in january we had to lower taxes for everybody. getting it very simply. lori: a lot of people are concerned. if we do go over the cliff, there's no resolution fo
, for political reasons. so, the way i sigh it is right now he's focusing on the fiscal cliff. he will have to give in on entitlement issues and up to him to focus on how to make the left happy and do something with labor. a natural constituency. it will come after him if he doesn't do something about it. i think right now good politics on the issue. >> yeah, no. i tend to agree with that. he just has to show up. he wasn't as in the speech today as sort as explicit as i was led to believe this morning and the white house made it clear where he stands on this. i'm fascinated, also, by the politics of this within michigan and when's happening in michigan because this law which, you know, the final vote in the legislature will be tomorrow and the expectation is the republican governor will sign it and changes the political culture and just the working culture of michigan. talk about the right to work laws used to be just south carolina, used to be the old confederacy. to have it spread to the rust belt is dramatic. the story is governor rick snyder, republican governor, hard to believe now but
's not what the american people thought the fiscal cliff was about. they thought it was about trying to have something to force us, force our congress and our president to do something about the deficit and debt situation. everything they're talking about will make it worse. >> what's the answer? will we have the deal? >> the real answer is to have comprehensive. look at this. i as a republican, i would take raising the rates on the two top brackets if, in return, we had tax reform laid out over a period of months, if we had entitlement reform. we have to control defense spending. we have to control other no non- -- other discretionary non-defense spending. i think if you have the whole package, i would hold my nose despite the fact raising those two tax brackets is bad economics, bad for jobs, will hurt the economy, i would hold my nose to get the other done. what i wouldn't do is vote for that and do nothing else. >> agree completely. what i've been saying here. steve rattner. >> i agree completely. to get a big deal we all have to hold our nose a little bit and accept things we don't want
lawmakers don't get it together soon. president obama saying now a deal to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff could be about a week away. there is just one catch. he says republicans have to accept the, quote: reality as he puts it that tax rates are going up for the richest americans. something g.o.p. leaders are calling a deal breaker. >> we're not insisting on rates just out of spite or out of any kind of partisan bickering. but rather because we need to raise a certain amount of revenue. we can probably solve this. it's not that tough. but we need that conceptual break through that says we need to do a balanced plan. >> we made a good faith offer to avert the fiscal crisis and that offer included significant spending cuts reforms and it included additional revenue. and frankly, it was a balanced approach mr. president has been asking for. now we need a response from the white house. >> they have 27 days to prevent automatic tax hikes and spending cuts from kicking in on new year's day. ed henry live at the white house for us. ed, we are hearing the president and house speaker john boehne
excited about here. good luck to them. no big surprise. wall street is keeping a close eye on fiscal cliff talks. mcdonald's is up. apple and aig down. we should mention that today it's expected to be one of the busiest online shopping days of the holiday season as you get in those last times to get deals in so that you know for sure it gets there by christmas. >>> well, for a deal already rejected with by congress, oh, yeah, there's the music, it may be unusual that we still hear so much about the simpson-bowles plan. it's a plan no one will vote on. it's come to represent what could have been. today a deep dive into the elusive grand bargain captured in the simpson-bowles plan. first the outlines of a deal between president obama and speaker boehner. as we've told you, you take the two positions we're looking at between $800 billion and $1.6 trillion in new tax revenue. enough savings to hold off the sequester. compare that to the simpson-bowles proposal and you'll see a big difference. as a starting point the plan would allow the bush tax cuts to expire for everybody. it proposes tax re
. when it comes to the fiscal cliff, you have to go back to that quickly. are you going to be there on december 31st at 11:59 voting on a deal or will there be something beforehand? >> all of the commentators seem to think there is going to be a deal. i don't know. the republicans seem to be caving in or beginning to set the door to cave in on agreeing to some tax rate increases. but a deal that says what some people are talking about will increase the tax rates to not as much as they were under clinton. and return will put a limit on cost of living increases for social security, will increase the eligibility age for medicare. as the republicans are demanding is not an acceptable compromise as far as i'm concerned. you have a lot of democrats voting against any such agreement. >> eliot: you are raising the critical issue that has not gotten any substantial and necessary attention as it should which is what will the cost-cutting be. where will it come from? how will entitlements be affected if at all and wh
. and -- >> but for everybody to -- to do that, to say we have to go over this fiscal cliff -- >> we don't have to -- >> in order so that everybody -- >> you could have legislation ready to introduce that week. >> congressman hensarling, before you go, something like that, would -- i mean i hear this from both sides, that if we just go over the president would introduce this legislation to lower rates, republicans who have signed grover norquist's pledge would be able to go along with that and say this is what we did. i didn't vote to raise taxes, i voted to lower taxes. is that the most likely scenario? >> makes sense? >> i'm not a las vegas bookie so i'm not going to say what is most likely scenario. i don't know and my crystal ball is a little fuzzy. again all this talk of taxes is marginally irrelevant. you give the president all of the tax increases that he has requested it's roughly about 23% of his ten-year spending budget. even 1.6 trillion. at most is maybe, 22%, 23%. the additional -- >> but going over that cliff, that's real money. and by the way, that's not that revenue thing. that'
to solving the fiscal cliff? we put an offer on the table. the president now has to engage. >> you might even say he'll inherit these problems. >> the president is going away for christmas. he's going to hawaii for 20 something days. where am i going to be? where are my neighbors going to be? we're not going to have a place called home. where is the help? >> what's holding us back right now is a lot of stuff that's going on in this town. >> after the election of jimmy carter, he went to washington, d.c. and came back home with some bacon. >> that's right. >> that's what you do. >> the fact is this president basically i don't think wants to work with congress. >> we do not have a taxation problem. we've got a wildly out of control spending problem. >> i'll be here, and i'll be available any moment. >> we believe that despite obvious resistance to what has to be the framework of a deal here, that progress is being made. >> all of this is smoke and mirrors. all of this deficit reduction stuff, there isn't any. there aren't any spending cuts. >> greta: while democrats and republicans fight it out
the fiscal cliff at the end of the year, we are in for a big stock market. i like that. chief investment officer joins us now. thanks, hitting the market actually believes we will come to a deal. >> absolutely. you get this sense it doesn't really wants to sell off even with all this uncertainty with both sides going back and forth, are we talking, are we not talking. the market seems to be creeping higher, seems to be seen through what is traditional political rhetoric and grandstanding and recognizing a deal will be done. ashley: it is one thing to get a deal, one other thing to get a bad one. even though we did not follow the cliff, we are stuck with a lot of bad decisions. >> even in a bad deal, tracy, one thing we can say is certainty will replace uncertainty. that is a big headwind for this economy. all of this uncertainty throughout the second half of this year, all of 2012 will be replaced with certainty and that should unleash pent-up demand when we see it in the construction, in capital spending, housing improving, certainty replacing uncertainty will be a big theme in 2013. tr
something to vote on a resolution of a resolution to avoid us going over the fiscal cliff. well after you will wanted to sound off on follow us on twitter at bpshow or facebook.com/bill press show. here we go peter ogburn and dan hinning. >> happy monday. >> fill backert has the phones. cyprian bowlding on the video camera. speakinging of video camera? peters his. >> dan has his peyton manning jersey. >> no. no. no. no. no. that would be his more astute brother 5 two points against the saints yesterday. take that. put it in your pocket and smoke it. >> what's a pate manning jersey? >> what else did you do? >> i look forward to next hour when you will wear your archie manning jersey. >> i would be all right with that. >> notes on people's backs they didn't know about. >> yeah. maybe 3rd grade. >> you know newt gingrich he has to do something to try to keep himself relevant, although nothing really works. to show you how eager newt is to keep in the news, yesterday, he stoops to talking about 2016 and hillary clinton. >> that's when you've got nothing e
about something else. >> couldn't the sandy weakness then be followed by fiscal cliff worry weakness. even if we don't go over the cliff. we could go above 8% and all of a sudden -- >> we could. and i'm expecting over 8% today or around 8% or more. and just to explain, there's a couple things going on. it's an earlier thanksgiving. so as i understand it, the bls moved survey week backwards to 11/5 from 111/12. that means it further back into the teeth of sandy's effects. all the peek out ople out of wo couldn't find work if they were looking for it. however the earlier thanksgiving also means retailers hire earlier. so you have these two forces. and zandi said there was two things, plus 86 from sandy, minus 60 or 70 because you have a seasonal effect of earlier retailers. on the jobs number. on the jobs number. so these offset? hiring for retail means a positive. less hiring for -- because of sandy is a negative. could they offset? >> there has to be some netting. there are special effects in the reports you're trying to sort out. and there's also the question of what the the economy
of the campaign to reach out to the american people to make his case about the need to avoid going over the fiscal cliff and what his solution to that is. that would require that the top 2% of americans pay higher taxes. that is something he's been talking with republicans in congress about and believes is nonnegotiable. shaking hands there, and we're looking at the venue as well. that's where he's going to be speaking at the auto plant at the top of the hour. also saw the president last night at the christmas in washington charity concert in d.c. that event was hosted by conan o'brien and featured the legendary diana ross and psy, who was greeted by the president. the president did not attempt psy's signature dance, gangnam style. they were talking yesterday, but the president did suggest he thinks he can do it. he thinks he can do that dance. we're going to see if that actually ever happens. there was some controversy, however. psy apologizing on friday for anti-american rap performance he did eight years ago. it all seems to be patched up and worked out now. >>> also want to tell you about this
today. it's over. why inject the politics? why go there? with so much going on, the fiscal cliff, negotiating back and forth with the house trying to figure out how to avoid massive tax increases and spending cuts, why there? it's all politics. >> steve: one other note, the "wall street journal" says regarding right to work states, between 2000 and 2010, 5 million people moved from union states to right to work states and they have 23% higher rate of income growth per capita in right to work states. so things are thriving in the right to work states. there are 24 of them. 26 still are union states. >> gretchen: eric brought up an interesting point about why isn't the president staying in washington, because now it turns out that the fiscal cliff is actually closer than we thought. it was not coakley january 1 anymore. we've about to go off it any day now because apparently it takes a certain amount of days to actually draft any kind of legislation that they might come to an agreement on and so if you backtrack then from the end of the year and when congress is going to be going h
] >> stephanie: okay. sean hannity. >> considering the significant consequences of falling off of the fiscal cliff you have would think the president would have some kind of an interest in finding a solution to the problem. however, it is now becoming increasingly obvious something is standing in the way. a reporter at the "new york times" is admitting, well it may just be obama's arrogance. >> stephanie: oh! [ applause ] >> stephanie: arrogance! >> what do you think he won an election or something? >> stephanie: yeah. >> sheeesh. >> stephanie: dog whistle. >> were you impersonating a dog whistle. woo woo? >> no, i was not. >> you wouldn't hear a dog whistle. but that would distract the dog that was distracted by the farting machine. [ farting sounds ] >> even a monkey in a shearling coat would distract the dog. right >> stephanie: right. all right. rush limbaugh. >> i thought we were on track for much sooner than that. the obama plan to knock down america, obviously -- i'm surprised it is going to take that long. 2030 is another eightteen, seventeen years. >> stephanie:
getting over the fiscal cliff, the deal getting closer to balance the budget is still very important. i do hope because of the discussion that tax reform is something that is taken seriously for this year. i think that is well overdue. there is not time to do it before december 31. it will give businesses a lot of assurances that the government is paying attention to what they are saying. >> you should tell barack obama to find a jim baker. >> think about each time we have reached a crisis point in our country there's been an institutional response to it. we created a central bank. that has proved to be enormous for the past five years and important for years before that. post-world war ii, we create a system and the department of homeland security. i wonder if there's not an institutional -- >> some did not work as well as others. >> that is exactly right. it reflects our values and the focus of the government. we should have a department of homeland prosperity. we need somebody other than the president to think about american competitiveness. something we've taken for granted because we
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